Zen · St. Paul, MN
Clouds in Water Zen Center in St. Paul, MN practices in the Soto Zen lineage of Dainin Katagiri Roshi with a strong social justice lens. The center actively trains and ordains priests and lay teachers, holds Jukai ceremonies every two years, conducts Shuso (head monk) ceremonies, and has a formal Dharma Transmission pathway for priests.
Priest Ordination & Dharma Transmission is run by Clouds in Water Zen Center. It trains practitioners to teach inside Soto and Rinzai Zen Buddhism, lineages with formal teacher authorization through priest ordination (tokudo), dharma transmission (shiho or inka), and decades of zazen and koan practice. The program is delivered in a residential, in-person format, runs over Multi-year, and covers the contact hours typical for this format. Clouds in Water Zen Center in St. Paul, MN practices in the Soto Zen lineage of Dainin Katagiri Roshi with a strong social justice lens. The center actively trains and ordains priests and lay teachers, holds Jukai ceremonies every two years, conducts Shuso (head monk) ceremonies, and has a formal Dharma Transmission pathway for priests. The teaching grounds itself in zazen (seated meditation), liturgy, oryoki meal practice, samu (work practice), sesshin (intensive retreats), dokusan or sanzen (private interviews with the teacher), and, in many lineages, formal koan study. Trainees do not just learn the content. They sit through it, teach it back to peers, and have their delivery reviewed against the standards the field uses to assess teachers. The training carries Soto Zen Buddhist Association (SZBA) accreditation, which signals a published competency framework, supervised teaching, and an external review process. Tuition sits at Sliding scale; priest ordination path donation-based, putting it inside the normal price band for programs of this scope. Programs in this lane vary on rigor, lineage, and the population they prepare you to serve. This one identifies clearly with Zen and trains for that lane rather than blending traditions loosely. OMP lists Priest Ordination & Dharma Transmission because it represents a path inside Zen that a serious applicant can investigate. The page below pulls together what the program actually asks of you, how it teaches, who it suits, and where it sits next to its siblings. The residential, in-person form is the older shape of this work. It puts the trainee inside the practice for stretches at a time, with the teacher in the same room. Most lineage paths still default to this because the teaching skills the program is trying to grow are read in person, not on a screen. Anyone weighing this program against another in the same lane should compare them on three things: the lineage or accreditation behind the certificate, the supervised teaching hours built into the schedule, and what the program does (or does not do) in silence.
Curriculum for Priest Ordination & Dharma Transmission centers on zazen (seated meditation), liturgy, oryoki meal practice, samu (work practice), sesshin (intensive retreats), dokusan or sanzen (private interviews with the teacher), and, in many lineages, formal koan study. Across Multi-year, trainees move from foundational practice into supervised facilitation. Reading lists usually include the canonical texts of the tradition and the research literature where one exists. Written assignments check that trainees can articulate the practice clearly to a beginner without losing the ethical and contextual grounding the tradition assumes. By the second half of the program, the work shifts from learning the content to teaching it back, with peers and senior teachers reviewing inquiry skills, pacing, and the handling of difficult emotion in a group.
Delivery uses a residential, in-person format. The structural backbone is long-form residential practice under a teacher, one-to-one interviews, sesshin attendance, work-practice rotation, and the slow accumulation of practice years measured in retreats rather than credit hours. Cohort size is kept small enough that every trainee gets observed teaching feedback rather than a generic pass. Most programs in this lane build in a silent practice segment because facilitating from notes alone tends to fail under pressure in a real group.
no external accreditation; authorization comes from the lineage in the form of priest ordination, dharma-holder status, or full dharma transmission. Authorized teachers can lead a sangha and ordain successors of their own. The credential (Soto Zen Buddhist Association (SZBA)) is recognized by employers and referral networks inside this field. Graduates commonly go on to run weekly groups, eight-week courses, retreats, or one-to-one mentorship, depending on the lineage's scope of practice.
Long-term zazen practice, multiple completed sesshins, and a relationship with a guiding teacher in a recognized lineage. Programs at this level do not admit beginners; the teacher path opens only after years of formal practice.
Zen teacher training does not run on a tuition timeline. It runs on years of practice with a teacher inside a recognized lineage. The closest peers are other Soto Zen Buddhist Association (SZBA) member temples, the White Plum Asanga, Plum Village, and Rinzai lines like Dai Bosatsu and the Sanbo Kyodan.
| Location | St. Paul, MN |
| Country | United States |
| Tradition | Zen |
| Format | In-person |
| Duration | Multi-year |
| Estimated cost | Sliding scale; priest ordination path donation-based |
| Accreditation | Soto Zen Buddhist Association (SZBA) |